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	<title>Comments on: BMS Acquires Kosan Biosciences for 233% Premium</title>
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		<title>By: john191</title>
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		<dc:creator>john191</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just say one thing to you and that is, “FANTASTIC”!! Keep it up and wish to get more details from your blog.&lt;br&gt;regards&lt;br&gt;&lt;a rel="dofollow" href="http://www.searspartssite.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;sears parts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just say one thing to you and that is, “FANTASTIC”!! Keep it up and wish to get more details from your blog.<br />regards<br /><a rel="dofollow" href="http://www.searspartssite.com/" rel="nofollow">sears parts</a></p>
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		<title>By: buy plavix</title>
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		<dc:creator>buy plavix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used this drug for about 5 years. I recently switched to generic Plavix - purchased on the internet - with aspirin to save money. It costs about 75% less than name brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used this drug for about 5 years. I recently switched to generic Plavix - purchased on the internet - with aspirin to save money. It costs about 75% less than name brand.</p>
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		<title>By: Stem cell transplant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stem cell transplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stem cells in an organism of the adult person are developed by a bone brain. It is their basic source, but it is far not the unique. Also stem cells are found out and in a fatty fabric, a skin, muscles, a liver, lungs, an eye retina, practically in all bodies and organism fabrics. They provide restoration of the damaged sites of bodies and fabrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stem cells in an organism of the adult person are developed by a bone brain. It is their basic source, but it is far not the unique. Also stem cells are found out and in a fatty fabric, a skin, muscles, a liver, lungs, an eye retina, practically in all bodies and organism fabrics. They provide restoration of the damaged sites of bodies and fabrics.</p>
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		<title>By: TheEben</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheEben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are totally right about the licensing of epothilone rather than the hsp90 drug, I was confused and neglected to review the press release again before replying and I retroactively take back every thing but the last few sentences.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, great comments.  If you don&#39;t read it all ready, check out The In Vivo Blog.  They&#39;ll probably have a commentary on this deal by tomorrow afternoon and I&#39;m sure they won&#39;t miss the parts I did.  They posts there are always incredibly insightful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are totally right about the licensing of epothilone rather than the hsp90 drug, I was confused and neglected to review the press release again before replying and I retroactively take back every thing but the last few sentences.  </p>
<p>Again, great comments.  If you don&#39;t read it all ready, check out The In Vivo Blog.  They&#39;ll probably have a commentary on this deal by tomorrow afternoon and I&#39;m sure they won&#39;t miss the parts I did.  They posts there are always incredibly insightful.</p>
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		<title>By: BIR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the reply. maybe i&#39;m missing something here, but isn&#39;t the epothilone platform sitll in phase II? (the licensing agreement is not for HSP90 - in which case I would agree with your rNPV comment) The 400M to me seems like biomoney (bear in mind that they do not get the 25M + 400M in milestones if the merger goes through)...heck, if they are buying the company for 190M and it includes two promising HSP targets - the epothilone platform can&#39;t be worth more than 130 - even if we are being ultrapessimistic about the value of the HSP90 program (unless they are getting HSP for free!).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;with regards to your last point, i couldn&#39;t agree more - who wants to invest in smallcap biotech/pharma plays in a market like this? however, the recent HSP90 deals have set the bar much higher than what kosan received. this lends me to feel that either the science behind kosan&#39;s platform isn&#39;t great (which comparitively to 2nd generation semi-synthetic or fully synthetic inhibitors, it isn&#39;t) and the IP position is somewhat weak (which i also feel is true). moreover, this deal was initiated by talks about the epothilone platform - and clearly the installment of the licensing agreement in case of no deal demonstrates where BMS&#39; real interests are - in the epothilone area. would&#39;ve been nice to see the licensing agreement with BMS and then divest the HSP90 platform to another bidder....oh well, if you&#39;re a kosan shareholder and you get in around 1.60-170...you&#39;re laughing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;btw, i enjoy reading your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the reply. maybe i&#39;m missing something here, but isn&#39;t the epothilone platform sitll in phase II? (the licensing agreement is not for HSP90 - in which case I would agree with your rNPV comment) The 400M to me seems like biomoney (bear in mind that they do not get the 25M + 400M in milestones if the merger goes through)&#8230;heck, if they are buying the company for 190M and it includes two promising HSP targets - the epothilone platform can&#39;t be worth more than 130 - even if we are being ultrapessimistic about the value of the HSP90 program (unless they are getting HSP for free!).</p>
<p>with regards to your last point, i couldn&#39;t agree more - who wants to invest in smallcap biotech/pharma plays in a market like this? however, the recent HSP90 deals have set the bar much higher than what kosan received. this lends me to feel that either the science behind kosan&#39;s platform isn&#39;t great (which comparitively to 2nd generation semi-synthetic or fully synthetic inhibitors, it isn&#39;t) and the IP position is somewhat weak (which i also feel is true). moreover, this deal was initiated by talks about the epothilone platform - and clearly the installment of the licensing agreement in case of no deal demonstrates where BMS&#39; real interests are - in the epothilone area. would&#39;ve been nice to see the licensing agreement with BMS and then divest the HSP90 platform to another bidder&#8230;.oh well, if you&#39;re a kosan shareholder and you get in around 1.60-170&#8230;you&#39;re laughing.</p>
<p>btw, i enjoy reading your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: TheEben</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheEben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comment. I have two in return.&lt;br&gt;1.) It doesn&#39;t seem you took royalty stream into consideration in your rNPV analysis.  Tiered double-digit royalties would be standard and change the rNPV by a huge amount (300%-400%), especially since the probability of success in phase 3 is reasonable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; 2.) I am only barely familiar with the space, but the low valuation might (and I&#39;m just guessing here), stem from an initial indication of combination therapy.  Currently, velcade is not a first line treatment (though that might change soon) and this significantly cuts down the patient population.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since Dec when interim data showed less than stellar results, the stock has taken a pounding and is down from the $5-7 range it has been trading since 2005ish.  BMS clearly struck at the right time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is the company undervalued?  Sure, but so are 500 other small biotech/pharma companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment. I have two in return.<br />1.) It doesn&#39;t seem you took royalty stream into consideration in your rNPV analysis.  Tiered double-digit royalties would be standard and change the rNPV by a huge amount (300%-400%), especially since the probability of success in phase 3 is reasonable.</p>
<p> 2.) I am only barely familiar with the space, but the low valuation might (and I&#39;m just guessing here), stem from an initial indication of combination therapy.  Currently, velcade is not a first line treatment (though that might change soon) and this significantly cuts down the patient population.  </p>
<p>Since Dec when interim data showed less than stellar results, the stock has taken a pounding and is down from the $5-7 range it has been trading since 2005ish.  BMS clearly struck at the right time.</p>
<p>Is the company undervalued?  Sure, but so are 500 other small biotech/pharma companies.</p>
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		<title>By: BIR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The acquisition is somewhat perplexing for people interested in the HSP90 space. The deal includes a licensing deal (which will be effective if the meger doesn&#39;t go through) for KOSN&#39;s epothilone platform: 25M upfront licensing fee + 400M milestone payments - if we approximate a risk adjusted PV for this at 100M - then the value of the HSP platform is roughly 90M. This is signfiicantly less than what conforma, serenex, and infinity got for their HSP90 inhibitors - which were sold at much earlier developmental stages. Granted, Kosan&#39;s HSP90 candidates are not scientifically the best - they have reactivity/solubility issues associated with the quinone group in 17AAG - it is still surprising that a promising phase III cancer candidate, in a very hot therapeutic area, sold for so little...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The acquisition is somewhat perplexing for people interested in the HSP90 space. The deal includes a licensing deal (which will be effective if the meger doesn&#39;t go through) for KOSN&#39;s epothilone platform: 25M upfront licensing fee + 400M milestone payments - if we approximate a risk adjusted PV for this at 100M - then the value of the HSP platform is roughly 90M. This is signfiicantly less than what conforma, serenex, and infinity got for their HSP90 inhibitors - which were sold at much earlier developmental stages. Granted, Kosan&#39;s HSP90 candidates are not scientifically the best - they have reactivity/solubility issues associated with the quinone group in 17AAG - it is still surprising that a promising phase III cancer candidate, in a very hot therapeutic area, sold for so little&#8230;</p>
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